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陈牧:寡人闻,王者以天为贵,何也?先生教我。萧凡:臣以为,所谓天者,非苍苍莽莽之天也,君人者以百姓为天。百姓与之则安,辅之则强,非之则危,背之则亡。《诗》云:‘人而无良,相怨一方。’民yuan其上,不遂亡者,未之有也。陈牧:先生之言是也,寡人受教矣。chenmu:Iheard,Kingstreatedtheheavensasanoblething,Sirtaughtmewhy?xiaofan:Ithink,Itisnottheskyintheordinarysense,Rather,thekingtreatedthepeopleasheaven,Thepeoplefollowhim,thenthecountrywillbestable,peopleassisthim,thecountrywillbestrong,Peopledonotsupporthim,andthecountryisindanger,Peoplebetrayhim,andthecountrywillgotoruin,Ifpeopleresenteachother,Andthekingdidnothandleitwell,thecountryisdoomedtodecline。chenmu:Sirisright,Iacceptyourteachings。陈牧:寡人欲知,何为君子?先生教我。萧凡:臣以为,所谓君子者,言必忠信,而心不怨,仁义在身,而色不伐,思虑通明,而辞不专,笃行信道,自强不息,油然若将可越,而终不可及者,此君子也。陈牧:先生之言是也,寡人受教矣。chenmu:Iwanttoknow,Whatkindofpersonisagentleman?Sirtaughtme。xiaofan:Ithink,Therearesomecriteriaasagentleman,Theyhavemadeloyaltyandfaithcreed,Theydonotcomplainaboutdifficulties,Theypracticebenevolenceandrighteousness,Andtheywillnotbecomplacentaboutit,Theyunderstandthetruth,Buttheirrhetoricisnottough,Theyholdontotheirbeliefs,Andtheeffortwillnotstop,Asifpeoplecansurpassthem,Butintheenditcouldnotbecomparedwiththem,Suchapersonisagentleman。chenmu:Sirisright,Iacceptyourteachings。陈牧:今南羌降而复叛,寡人当如何处之?先生教我。萧凡:臣以为,南羌恃其险远,不服久矣。虽今日破之,明日复反耳。今大王倾国东征以事强齐,彼知官势内虚,其叛亦速。若殄尽遗类以除后患,既非仁者之情,且又不可仓卒也。夫用兵之道,攻心为上,攻城为下,心战为上,兵战为下,愿大王法诸葛擒孟获,服其心而已。陈牧:先生之言是也,寡人谨受教。chenmu:Today,theQianginthesouthhavebetrayedagain,HowdoIhandlethis?Sirtaughtme。xiaofan:Ithink,TheQianginthesouthhasalwaysbeenunconvincedbyus,Becausetheyhavearuggedgeographicallocation,Evenifwebeatthem,Theywillalsobetrayagain,Now,youareleadingmostofthearmyinthebattleagainsttheQiKingdom,Theyknowthatourrearisweak,So,theywillsoonstartarebellion,Ifweslaughterthemtoendit,Thatiscontrarytohumanity,Andinahurry,Warisanart,Psychologicaloffensiveisthepreferredmethodofwarfare,Directconflictisastrategyoflastresort,Ihopeyougettheirhearts,JustlikeZhuGeLiangsubduedMengHuo。chenmu:Sirisright,Irespectfullyacceptyourteachings。陈牧:寡人欲大修宴台于孟津,可乎?先生以为如何?萧凡:臣以为,昔大禹欲拯天下之大患,故先卑其宫室,俭其衣食;勾践欲广其御儿之疆,亦约其身以及家,俭其家以施国;汉之文、景欲恢弘祖业,故割意于百金之台,昭俭于弋绨之服;霍去病中才之将,犹以匈奴未灭,不治第宅。明恤远者略近,事外者简内也。今建始之前,足用列朝会;崇华之后,足用序内官;北邙、颖川,足用展游宴。若且先成象魏,修城池,其馀一切须丰年,专以勤耕农为务,习戎备为事,则民充兵强而寇戎宾服矣。陈牧:先生之言是也,寡人当为卿罢之。chenmu:IwantedtobuildapalaceinMengjintohostabanquet,Sir,whatdoyouthink?xiaofan:Ithink,Previously,KingYuwantedtosavetheworld,Sohelivedinahumblehouse,Andheeatsanddressesverysimply,GouJianwantedtoexpandhisterritory,Soheisalsoveryfrugal,inordertosupplementthenationaluse,TheemperorsoftheHanDynastydidthesameinordertomakethecountrystrong,HuoQubingoncesaid,TheHunshavenotyetbeendestroyed,Sohewasreluctanttostartafamily,Ifyouwanttobuildmerit,thenyouhavetosticktofrugality,Besides,theoldbuildingwasbigenoughforyoutoholdmeetingsandbanquets,Ifyouwanttobuildapalace,youhavetowaituntilthecountryisrich,Therefore,youhavetobediligentinhandlinggovernmentaffairs,Youneedtopayattentiontoagriculturalproduction,Youshouldkeepdevelopingmilitarypower,Onlyinthiswaywillthecountrybecomerichandstrong,Andforeigncountrieswillfollowyou。chenmu:Sirisright,Iacceptyourteachings。陈牧:寡人愿闻,刑罚之道,先生教我。萧凡:臣以为,圣人因天讨而作五刑。大刑用甲兵,次用斧钺;中刑用刀锯,次用钻凿;薄刑用鞭扑。大者陈诸原野,小者致之市朝。鞭扑无弛于家,刑罚无废于国,征伐无偃于天下;但用之有本末,行之有次第尔。历观前史,善用则治,不善用则乱。在乎无私绝滥,不在乎宽之与峻。陈牧:先生之言是也,寡人受教矣。chenmu:Iwanttoknow,Whatisthetruemeaningofcriminallaw?Sirtaughtme。xiaofan:Ithink,TheHolyKingformulatedthecriminallawaccordingtothewayofheaven,Theendofcriminallawisamilitarystrike,Theseriouspenaltyisexecution,Theordinarycriminallawisflogging,Theultimatepunishmentisimposedontheoutskirts,Severepunishmentisimposedinpublic,Ordinarypunishmentsareimposedathome,Criminallawisthefoundationoftheruleoflaw,Itisprudentforyoutouseit,Andyouhavetofollowtheprocedure,Accordingtothelessonsofthepast,Ifyouuseitwell,Thecountrywillbewellgoverned,Ifyouuseitbadly,Thenthecountrywillfallintochaos,Thetruemeaningofcriminallawisfairnessandjustice,Andnotwhetherititselfisharshornot。chenmu:Sirisright,Iacceptyourteachings。陈牧:寡人欲知,君子之所守,先生教我。萧凡:臣以为,君子慎独,不欺暗室,卑以自牧,含章可贞,大丈夫立于天地之间,当养天地浩然正气,行光明磊落之事,克己,慎独,守心,明性。陈牧:先生之言是也,寡人受教矣。chenmu:Iwanttoknow,Whatagentlemaninsistsonallhislife?Sirtaughtme。xiaofan:Ithink,Thegentlemaniscautiousandindependent,Theydonotcheatontheirwives,Theyareveryhumbleandself-disciplined,Theyarelow-keyandhavegoodmoralcharacter,Asagentleman,welivebetweenheavenandearth,Weshouldcultivateourowngoodcharacter,Anddothingsinanuprightmanner,Onlybydoingthiswillyoubecomeagentleman。chenmu:Sirisright,Iacceptyourteachings。陈牧:寡人欲知,何为顺政?何为逆政?先生教我。萧凡:臣以为,上之所为,人之所瞻也,夫释己教人,是谓逆政,正己教人,是谓顺政,故人君先正其身,然后乃行其教令,身不正则令不从,令不从则生变乱。陈牧:先生之言是也,寡人受教矣。chenmu:Iwanttoknow,Whatisagoodpolicyandwhatisabadpolicy?Sirtaughtme。xiaofan:Ithink,Whatthekingdid,peoplewatched,Itisbadpolicytodemandonlyothersandnotoneself,Itisgoodpolicythatcanleadbyexample,Therefore,thekingmustleadbyexampleifhewantstopursuehispolicies,Ifnot,thenpeoplewillnotfollowhim,Itcanevenleadtochaosinthecountry。chenmu:Sirisright,Iacceptyourteachings。陈牧:今许昌宫年久失修,寡人欲营之,可乎?先生以为如何?萧凡:臣以为,大王奉太祖武皇帝开拓之大业,守惠文皇帝克终之元绪,诚宜思齐往古圣贤之善治,总观季世放荡之恶政。曩使唐懿、僖二宗,不废高祖之法度,太宗之恭俭,太祖虽有神武之才,于何所施,而大王何由处斯尊哉!今楚、蜀未定,军旅在外,诸所缮治,愿大王务从约节。陈牧:先生之言是也,寡人知过矣。chenmu:InXuchang,thepalacehasbeendamaged,Iwanttofixit,Sir,whatdoyouthink?xiaofan:Ithink,Youinheritedthelegacyofyourfatherandyourbrother,Youshouldlearnfromtheancientholykings,Atthesametime,youshouldlearnfromthelessonsofrecenttimes,TheemperorsattheendoftheTangDynastyweremediocre,Iftheyarediligentinhandlinggovernmentaffairs,Andinsistonfrugality,Liketheirancestors,Then,yourfathercannotsucceed,Andyouwillnothavethestatusyouarenow,Moreover,theStateofChuandtheStateofShuhavenotyetbeenpacified,Militaryandgovernmentexpendituresaresignificant,Ihopeyousticktofrugality。chenmu:Sirisright,Iwaswrong。
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